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Observations On Miliband Scorns Post-2015 Deal With Clegg


 

Amid whispers in Westminster about the Deputy Prime Minister’s long-term leadership prospects, Mr Miliband branded him an “accomplice” of the Tories.

His comments appeared to set up the prospect of Mr Clegg being the price of a Lib-Lab pact if the next election also ends in a hung parliament.

They come 24 hours after Mr Clegg said he would be “open” to working with Labour after 2015 if no party had a majority.

Mr Miliband told the Independent: “Clegg’s biggest problem is that he will say he is a brake on the Tories, but he is an accomplice.

“He chose not to kill the Health and Social Care Bill – a really bad Bill doing damage to the NHS – and to pursue House of Lords reform.”

Asked if he could work with the Lib Dem leader, Mr Miliband replied: “I would find it difficult to work with him.”

 

Speculation about the Lib Dem leadership has revived after Business Secretary Vince Cable said he “wouldn’t exclude” a future bid for the top job.

Mr Cable, a former Labour member, would be a more palatable coalition partner for many in the party and is rumoured to already hold regular talks with Mr Miliband.

In what appeared to be a coded put down to some of his colleages, Mr Cable, 69, told the Financial Times: “The worship of youth has diminished – perhaps generally – in recent years.”

On Sunday, Mr Clegg suggested his party would do its “duty” and work with Labour in coalition if voters failed to return an overall victor in 2015.

The Deputy PM said he hoped the public would see the Lib Dems had “created a better economy and fairer society” by the time of the next election.

“If the British people, like they did last time, say no-one has won, then I’ll be open to working with other parties,” he told The People.

Asked if he could do business with Mr Miliband, he replied: “Yes.”

Mr Clegg was hailed for his performance in the leadership debates before the 2010 election but his party then only won 57 seats, a drop of five.

Despite this, he became the kingmaker when voters failed to give any party a majority. After negotiating with both Labour and the Tories, he entered a full-scale coalition with David Cameron.

In the election, the Lib Dems obtained 23% of the vote but their popularity has plunged since the formation of the coalition due to unpopular policies – in particular the hike of tuition fees.

Observations:

Im begining to feel some history lessions coming on in regards to LibLab pact or coalition checvkout this:

In British politics, a Lib–Lab pact is a working arrangement between the Liberal Democrats (formerly the Liberal Party) and the Labour Party.

There have been four such arrangements, and one alleged proposal, at the national level. In many local councils in the UK there are similar arrangements, although there are also arrangements where the Lib Dems and Labour oppose each other and instead form a local alliance with another party or with independent councillors.

Main article: Liberal-Labour (UK)

Before the Labour Party had been formed, various candidates stood for Parliament with backing of the Liberal Party and the Labour Representation League, including Thomas Burt, Harry Broadhurst and Alexander Macdonald. These MPs were referred to as ‘Lib–Lab’, although there was not a formal ‘pact’.

This agreement eventually fell apart with the formation of the Independent Labour Party and the Labour Representation Committee

1903

In 1903 an agreement was made between Herbert Gladstone (then Chief Whip of the Liberal Party) and Ramsay MacDonald (Secretary of the Labour Representation Committee) that, in thirty-four constituencies, the Labour Party and the Liberal Party would not stand against each other, and thus risk splitting their vote. As a result of this agreement, in contests against the Conservative party, 29 Labour MPs were returned at the general election of 1906.

1924

In the 1923 general election, both parties campaigned on the issue of free trade. The Conservatives, who had campaigned to introduce protective tariffs, lost their parliamentary majority but remained the largest party. The Liberals agreed to enable the formation of the first Labour government in 1924 under Ramsay MacDonald.

1929

In the 1929 general election, Labour won the greatest number of seats, though not a parliamentary majority. The now much weakened Liberals allowed the formation of the second Labour government by not allying with the Conservatives to defeat the new government.

1977

In March 1977 the Labour Government, left with no overall majority following a by-election defeat, faced a motion of no confidence. In order to remain in office, Prime Minister James Callaghan approached the Liberal Party under the leadership of David Steel. Callaghan had been prime minister for just one year, having succeeded Harold Wilson who had led Labour to a three-seat majority in October 1974.

An agreement was negotiated, under the terms of which the Labour Party accepted a limited number of Liberal Party policy proposals and in exchange, the Liberal Party agreed to vote with the government in any subsequent motion of no confidence. While this ‘pact’ was the only official bi-party agreement since the Second World War (until the Conservative–Lib Dem coalition following the 2010 election), it fell far short of a coalition. The Lib–Lab Pact’s end was confirmed on 7 September 1978,[1] by which time Callaghan was expected to call a general election, but instead he decided to continue as leader of a minority government until May 1979, when after a vote of no confidence it was forced to hold a general election, in which Margaret Thatcher led the Conservatives back into power.

Proposed coalition of 1997

In the lead up to the 1997 general election, a coalition government was discussed by Tony Blair and the Lib Dems, according to Paddy Ashdown‘s The Ashdown Diaries. Ashdown, a strong proponent of a Lib-Lab coalition, said that from Blair’s point of view, in order to get the Conservatives out of power and because he wanted to move his party towards the New Labour ideal, a coalition would strengthen his majority in the likely event of a victory. To get the Liberal Democrats into his Cabinet, he allegedly agreed on their terms of electoral reform. Tony Blair was still considering attempting to form a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats on the day of the general election, until the full scale of his Labour Party’s majority became clear.[2] It is alleged that Blair still harboured thoughts of getting the Lib Dems into Cabinet, but that John Prescott‘s resignation threat stemmed this.

Proposed coalition of 2010

After the hung parliament in 2010, the Liberal Democrats, as they had indicated they would do so prior to the election,[3] first began negotiations with the Conservatives – as the party which won the most votes and seats – about the possibility of forming a government; but, after talks appeared to have stalled, complementary negotiations were undertaken with Labour.

Labour’s delegation for negotiations included Peter Mandelson, Andrew Adonis, Ed Miliband, and Ed Balls. Press rumours of a possible Lib Dem-Labour deal were publicised, with Gordon Brown alleged to be willing to offer a form of Proportional Representation if an arrangement which would have kept him in government could be agreed.[4]

A Lib-Lab coalition would, however, have been eight seats short of a majority.[5] A coalition of Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the SDLP, the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland and the Green Party – a “rainbow” or “traffic light” coalition – would have therefore been needed to give even the smallest possible majority.[5] For this, amongst other reasons, the talks failed. On the collapse of talks with Labour, a deal between the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives was reached (subsequently being approved by Liberal Democrats members at a special party conference).

There was a significant level of hostility to such a deal within the Labour party with coalition proposals being opposed by, among others, former cabinet ministers John Reid, Alan Johnson, David Blunkett and former leader Neil Kinnock.[6] John Reid said that such a coalition would be “bad for the country”.[7]

David Laws, chief negotiator for the Liberal Democrats in coalition negotiations, subsequently commented on Labour’s preparation and conduct in negotiations – his main areas of criticism centred on Labour’s lack of contrition about their record over the previous thirteen years, inadequate preparation for discussions, their unwillingness to accommodate Liberal Democrat policy proposals in the potential programme for government, and the arrogant and patronising attitude of specific key Labour figures. Specifically he said that whilst Gordon Brown was quite serious about pursuing talks, he accused former minister Ed Balls of “sabotaging” the talks.[8]

National Assembly for Wales

When the first elections to the new Welsh Assembly took place in 1999 no one party had an absolute majority, and initially Labour sought to run a minority administration. Following a series of close votes and much criticism of the weakness of the Assembly administration, Labour and the Liberal Democrats formed a coalition in October 2000 with the two parties sharing power, including ministerial appointments, with Labour the majority party. The agreement ended at the elections of 2003 when Labour gained a one seat majority.

Scottish Parliament

In 1999, after the first elections to the Scottish Parliament in July of that year, the Lib Dems signed up to what was termed a “partnership government” with Labour with both parties providing ministers in a shared government. Although standing on separate manifestos in the succeeding election of 2003 the joint working continued, with Labour’s Rt Hon Jack McConnell MSP as First Minister, and the LibDems’ Jim Wallace QC MSP as Deputy First Minister (and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning) who was then succeeded by Nicol Stephen of the same party as Deputy First Minister. The 2007 election saw the Scottish National Party surpass Labour as the largest party by one seat. The Scottish Liberal Democrats decided against coalition with either the SNP or Labour, and abstained in the vote for First Minister, eventually won by Alex Salmond.

Constitutional committee

Whilst not a pact, ahead of the 1997 election Labour Leader Tony Blair and Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown set up the Labour-Liberal Democrat joint committee on constitutional reform to discuss devolution in Wales and Scotland, and led to Prime Minister Tony Blair setting up a joint Lib–Lab cabinet committee. In part this led to the Scottish and Welsh alliances noted above. The committee was disbanded by Tony Blair and Charles Kennedy in September 2001.

UK coalition will have you believe that both Youth Unemployment and long time unemployment is part of the Big Society and the double dip recession came under the coalition watch.

The coalition has gone all out to attack youth unemployment by paying companies to contact them to get to the job centre plus to look for employment on the one hand. Here comes the bombshell a government adviser takes on social policy to attack lone parents. Well done coalition for taking what little dignity they have away from them.

Granted there must be ways of educating but that can only happen when a person is willing to change and not force to change. Many of us have good intentions of hopefully of having a family with the view of marriage to Mr and Miss Right. No one can predict what will happen in our lives because social changes in society and in  family life.

What I strongly object to is when there is some so called do gooder can change society and tell us how to suck eggs to me this will be Cleggybabes legacy from the coalition broken promises of tuition fees, workfare, and to top it off  fail to save our NHS to name a few.

Its on those grounds I would every Labour Party members to vote again this should this be proposed by the Labour Party NEC and leader of Labour.

One response to “Observations On Miliband Scorns Post-2015 Deal With Clegg

  1. Pingback: The doghouse of Lords: New Labour’s constitutional legacy « abdelxyz

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