Propose Deal of a Lib Dem(Fibdem) and Labour coalition


 

Labour-up-Lib-Dems-downMy thoughts on a much talked about a Lib Dem (Fib Dem) and Labour Coalition:

Whilst I acknowledge that there is coalition governments across Europe for years I am quite open to say to them good luck. If we look back into the history of coalitions in the UK it is noticeable that they break up before their term of office ended. Granted during the Second World War there was a coalition but that in my opinion was still shaky grounds.

There was a brief moment in the 70s there was a coalition look what happen to it. A sharp election was called so forgive me if I’m against coalitions.  Recently I read from a fellow bloggers in a nutshell that there is a sounding of a Fib Dem and Labour coalition. I say to those who thinks that it may happen let me be very clear they are many in Labour Party that are NOT in favour of it.

Yes there will be some in Labour would like to see a Fib Dem pack with Labour but those members are very few and they don’t speak for the majority of Labour members. If many have noticed of lately there has been many ex-members of Fib Dems who has cross over to Labour. Here is the exciting bit some have failed to mention some of them believe it or not were former members of Labour.

When asked the question why they left in the first place the  answer are various form:

1) I wanted to stand as a Councillor, MP, and MEP and my members had a bigger vote if I don’t get any of the above I will join another party and take my members with me.

2) I left because of the war and the person who stood in my ward was from the wrong caste or not from the same village.

Now coming back to the original point as to why I’m against a Fib Dem pack with Labour is because it will not work it’s a waste of pulling resources and time.

For those of us who happen to witness a Conservative and Fib Dem coalition in their own town centre or metropolitan council will hopefully give you a understanding of where I’m coming from. I live in Birmingham (West Midlands not to be confused by Birmingham in Alabama) where many of its citizen saw first-hand the mess they left behind with the budget yet they had the cheek to continue to play the blame game that it was Labour fault and the list goes on.

In short but hash or rude awakening the Fib Dems will go into bed with any party to gain power they will tell you of their grand story they did it because they have a common objective to keep a closer eye on the finance and they are in the ideal place to introduce a Fib Dem agenda yet their membership continue to be divided over their partner in crime the Conservatives.

This how I view a Fib Dem pack with Labour as the Conservative slogan We all in it together comes to mind and that can only mean danger to Labour. I’m sure that our core voter will not forgive us (Labour)

Granted during the 2010 General Elections under Gordon Brown leadership of Labour Party both Labour and Fibdems were in talks over coalition the Fibdems in the end decided to lay in bed with Conservative look what happen to them now.

Let go back in time to get a real understanding of a coalition with Fib Dems and Labour:

Before the Labour Party had been formed, various candidates stood for Parliament with backing of the Liberal Party and the Labour Representation League, including Thomas Burt, Harry Broadhurst and Alexander Macdonald. These MPs were referred to as ‘Lib–Lab’, although there was not a formal ‘pact’.

This agreement eventually fell apart with the formation of the Independent Labour Party and the Labour Representation Committee.

1903

Main article: Gladstone-MacDonald pact

In 1903 an agreement was made between Herbert Gladstone (then Chief Whip of the Liberal Party) and Ramsay MacDonald (Secretary of the Labour Representation Committee) that, in thirty-four constituencies, the Labour Party and the Liberal Party would not stand against each other, and thus risk splitting their vote. As a result of this agreement, in contests against the Conservative party, 29 Labour MPs were returned at the general election of 1906.

1924

In the 1923 general election, both parties campaigned on the issue of free trade. The Conservatives, who had campaigned to introduce protective tariffs, lost their parliamentary majority but remained the largest party. The Liberals agreed to enable the formation of the first Labour government in 1924 under Ramsay MacDonald.

1929

In the 1929 general election, Labour won the greatest number of seats, though not a parliamentary majority. The now much weakened Liberals allowed the formation of the second Labour government by not allying with the Conservatives to defeat the new government.

1977

In March 1977 the Labour Government, left with no overall majority following a by-election defeat, faced a motion of no confidence. In order to remain in office, Prime Minister James Callaghan approached the Liberal Party under the leadership of David Steel. Callaghan had been prime minister for just one year, having succeeded Harold Wilson who had led Labour to a three-seat majority in October 1974.

An agreement was negotiated, under the terms of which the Labour Party accepted a limited number of Liberal Party policy proposals and in exchange, the Liberal Party agreed to vote with the government in any subsequent motion of no confidence. While this ‘pact’ was the only official bi-party agreement since the Second World War (until the Conservative–Lib Dem coalition following the 2010 election), it fell far short of a coalition. The Lib–Lab Pact’s end was confirmed on 7 September 1978,[1] by which time Callaghan was expected to call a general election, but instead he decided to continue as leader of a minority government until May 1979, when after a vote of no confidence it was forced to hold a general election, in which Margaret Thatcher led the Conservatives back into power.

Proposed coalition of 1997

In the lead up to the 1997 general election, a coalition government was discussed by Tony Blair and the Lib Dems, according to Paddy Ashdown‘s The Ashdown Diaries. Ashdown, a strong proponent of a Lib-Lab coalition, said that from Blair’s point of view, in order to get the Conservatives out of power and because he wanted to move his party towards the New Labour ideal, a coalition would strengthen his majority in the likely event of a victory. To get the Liberal Democrats into his Cabinet, he allegedly agreed on their terms of electoral reform. Tony Blair was still considering attempting to form a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats on the day of the general election, until the full scale of his Labour Party’s majority became clear.[2] It is alleged that Blair still harboured thoughts of getting the Lib Dems into Cabinet, but that John Prescott‘s resignation threat stemmed this.

Proposed coalition of 2010

After the hung parliament in 2010, the Liberal Democrats, as they had indicated they would do so prior to the election,[3] first began negotiations with the Conservatives – as the party which won the most votes and seats – about the possibility of forming a government; but, after talks appeared to have stalled, complementary negotiations were undertaken with Labour.

Labour’s delegation for negotiations included Peter Mandelson, Andrew Adonis, Ed Miliband, and Ed Balls. Press rumours of a possible Lib Dem-Labour deal were publicised, with Gordon Brown alleged to be willing to offer a form of Proportional Representation if an arrangement which would have kept him in government could be agreed.[4]

A Lib-Lab coalition would, however, have been eight seats short of a majority.[5] A coalition of Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the SDLP, the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland and the Green Party – a “rainbow” or “traffic light” coalition – would have therefore been needed to give even the smallest possible majority.[5] For this, amongst other reasons, the talks failed. On the collapse of talks with Labour, a deal between the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives was reached (subsequently being approved by Liberal Democrats members at a special party conference).

There was a significant level of hostility to such a deal within the Labour party with coalition proposals being opposed by, among others, former cabinet ministers John Reid, Alan Johnson, David Blunkett and former leader Neil Kinnock.[6] John Reid said that such a coalition would be “bad for the country”.[7]

David Laws, chief negotiator for the Liberal Democrats in coalition negotiations, subsequently commented on Labour’s preparation and conduct in negotiations – his main areas of criticism centred on Labour’s lack of contrition about their record over the previous thirteen years, inadequate preparation for discussions, their unwillingness to accommodate Liberal Democrat policy proposals in the potential programme for government, and the arrogant and patronising attitude of specific key Labour figures. Specifically he said that whilst Gordon Brown was quite serious about pursuing talks, he accused former minister Ed Balls of “sabotaging” the talks.[8]

Possible coalition after 2015 general election

The party that wins the most votes but fails to get an absolute majority in the house has the right to attempt to form a government first, either on their own or in a coalition Nick Clegg stated prior to the 2010 election.[9] He has also stated his willingness to work with the Labour party if in the next parliament they win a plurality of the votes.[10] This is however unlikely under the leadership of Nick Clegg as both Ed Miliband and Ed Balls [11] have spoken of unhappiness with Nick Clegg because of his partnership with David Cameron. In a Liberal Democratic member poll in the summer of 2012, 48 percent of polled members said they would be in favour of a partnership with the Labour party if the next election ends in a hung parliament.[12]

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