my thoughts on David Cameron on extremism

Please listen to this youtube:

The full speech:

New Government legislation will include powers to put non-violent extremists who radicalise young people “out of action”, David Cameron has said.

may-cameronThe action against Islamist “influencers” forms part of a five-year plan to crush the home-grown extremism which the Prime Minister said had led to up to 700 young Britons travelling abroad to fight for the Islamic State (IS) terror group and left Muslim parents “living in fear” that their children may be radicalised.

In a high-profile speech at Ninestiles Academy in Acocks Green, Mr Cameron announced plans for a new scheme allowing parents to apply to have their own children’s passports removed if they suspect them of planning to travel abroad to join a radical group.

The PM said Britain must act to “de-glamourise” groups like IS by making young people aware of the brutal reality of life in the parts of Iraq and Syria which they control.

Mr Cameron announces that parents will have the power to cancel their children’s passports if they are worried about them travelling to Syria to join Isis.

He said: “I know how worried some people are that their children might turn to this ideology – and even seek to travel to Syria or Iraq.

“So I can announce today we are going to introduce a new scheme to enable parents to apply directly to get their child’s passport cancelled to prevent travel.”

And he said the UK should do more to promote its own creed of tolerance, democracy, the rule of law and freedom of speech and should make clear that the doctrine of respect for different faiths must be matched by those faiths supporting the British way of life.

Mr Cameron said it was not enough for extremists to say they opposed IS – also known as Isil, Isis or Daesh – for them to prove that they were not a threat. This would be setting the bar for acceptability “ludicrously low”, and groups should be expected also to condemn conspiracy theories, anti-semitism and sectarianism, he said.

“We need to put out of action the key extremist influencers who are careful to operate just inside the law but who clearly detest British society and everything we stand for,” said the Prime Minister.

“These people aren’t just extremists, they are also despicable far-right groups too, and what links them all is their aim to groom young people and brainwash their minds.

“Let’s be clear who benefits most from us being tough on these non-violent extremists – it’s Muslim families living in fear that their children could be radicalised and run off to Syria, and communities worried about some poisonous far-right extremists planning to attack your mosque.”

A new Extremism Bill will include “narrowly-targeted” powers to tackle thes e “facilitators and cult leaders” and stop them “peddling their hatred”, said Mr Cameron.

He also said the Government would take action to tackle sectarian and communal segregation in schools, and said the Government would give communications watchdog Ofcom stronger powers to take action on foreign TV channels broadcasting hate preachers and extremist messages.

Universities should be ready to challenge extremist speakers on campus and broadcasters should use a wider range of speakers from Muslim communities, rather than repeatedly putting extreme voices on screen, he said.

Mr Cameron said that too often the authorities had “turned a blind eye” to issues like forced marriage or female genital mutilation (FGM) for fear of offending cultural sensitivities.

Announcing a consultation on introducing lifetime anonymity for the victims of forced marriages, he said he wanted to see more prosecutions in cases of this sort as part of a drive to “enforce” British values and ensure they applied uniformly to people of all backgrounds.

“My argument with young people being sucked towards this appalling extremist Isil worldview is ‘You are heading towards a belief system that believes in throwing people off buildings, raping children, enslaving women’,” said the Prime Minister.

“The values of freedom and democracy are far stronger, far better than the values of Isil.

“We are not serving our argument or serving our country or serving new arrivals to our country if we don’t enforce these values uniformly.

“And here’s my message to any young person thinking of going out there. You won’t be some valued member of a movement – you are cannon fodder for them.

“They will use you. If you are a boy, they will brain wash you, strap bombs to your body and blow you up. If you are a girl they will enslave and abuse you. That is the sick and brutal reality of IS.”

“If we have a situation where young people are being taken off and married against their will or having the appalling practice of FGM carried out on them, and the British state and the British Government and the British Parliament and police and courts look the other way, we are not showing great confidence in our values.

“Our values are so great that we should want to enforce them for all, including new arrivals, including people subjected potentially to those practices.”

My comments:

Firstly I would love to say in the Arabic phrase shown above is pronounced as Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim, and is a beautifully poetic phrase which offers both deep insight and brilliant inspiration. It has often been said that the phrase Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim contains the true essence of the entire Qur’an, as well as the true essence of all religions.

hdhdhMuslims often say this phrase when embarking on any significant endeavour and the phrase is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. This expression is so magnificent and so concise that all but one chapter of the Qur’an begins with the words Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim.

The common translation:

“In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate”.

Fails to capture either the true depth of meaning or the inspirational message of this beautiful phrase.

In memory of those victims who lost their lives during 7/7 and 9/11 what took place is not recognized under Islam. Every time I read or hear those words recited I am humbled to know that the time has to come to address what establishment stance of extremism as the Koran addresses this issue as haram(Not acceptable and it is forbidden to take an innocent life no matter whatever your religious beliefs) .

On 20 July 2015 David Cameron will be addressing an audience regards to Muslim extremism yet he fails to mention that all forms of religious extremism is wrong. If you look around the world most of the crimes have been committed in the name of religious extremism ie Buddhism vs Muslims, Christians vs Muslims, Hinduism vs Muslims, and Sikhism vs Muslims.

If he wants to talk about British values and integration of the Muslim community, will he mention the fact Birmingham Muslims, despite fasting for 19 hours a day themselves, were feeding the homeless. Will he mention the fact that our forefathers sacrificed their life’s for this, our great country in WW1 & WW2 before any of them set foot in this country.

And how do British values differ from Muslim values? We have been taught and practice that Islam is a religion where we should help and protect our neighbour, before any other, irrespective of their faith. Is this not a British value?

David Cameron’s speech will not support cohesion but divide communities and isolate the British Muslim community.

Daesh has no place in society. They are not part of the religion that I practice.

They need to be condemned at every opportunity as does far right extremism which also threatens to divide our communities.

David Cameron visit to Birmingham and spew his highly problematic remarks about the causes of extremism today. He will focus on ideology; that all extremism is bad, and that it can lead to violent extremism; that the grievance issue is not important; that people do not want to integrate. It’s all completely upside down.

Years and years of research have systematically established the causes of radicalisation among Western European born Muslims. In a nutshell the issues are geopolitical, and failed domestic anti-racism and integration policy. Cameron is using his speech as a sideshow because all capitalist societies need enemies. Elite policymakers in Whitehall are just a bunch of self-serving dim-wits who have no idea of what it is like on the ground. It is tantamount to state racism of the most pernicious nature.

Moreover, those Muslims who start speaking on the behalf of HMG so as to supposedly help Muslim communities, some who start off with good intentions, only end up leaving or feathering their own nests, serving the interest of the elites every time. There is going to be a tremendous reaction to this. Birmingham will not roll over. Too many dedicated and smart activists, campaigners, and professionals, who are savvy and informed will come out responsibly to this. Members of the more intelligent sectors of the press will also report what is right not what powerful people want reported.

His obsession with demanding support for “tolerance, democracy, the rule of law and freedom of speech” sits poorly with the revelation that he authorised British troops to participate in US-led bombing raids on Syria despite Parliament deciding otherwise.

Tolerance, democracy, rule of law and freedom of speech are admirable goals, but they mean different things to us all.

Alarm bells will inevitably ring when Cameron, an inveterate apologist for Israeli war crimes, insists that opposition to Islamic State (Isis) demands condemnation of “conspiracy theories, anti-semitism and sectarianism.”

Who is he to judge when criticism of zionist colonialism descends into these categories?

More basically, when did thinking wrong things become a crime in Britain?

Some people harbour hateful attitudes towards black people, Jews, Gypsies, Travellers, lesbians, gay men and other minorities, but they are prosecuted only when their thoughts translate into action.

Many Irish people in Britain support the reunification of their homeland. Some were sympathetic to the military campaign waged by the Provisional IRA, but they were not persecuted for their thoughts.

There have always been Muslims in Britain and other states more sympathetic to a religious caliphate than secular democracy. They are a tiny minority within a minority.

The weight of the state should only be deployed against those seeking to turn fantasy into reality when they adopt violence.

It is distressing for most people not least the families of those involved — to see young people born, raised and educated in Britain opt to travel to Syria, Iraq or elsewhere to join the Isis death cult.

It reveals a level of extreme alienation brought about by a combination of factors that could include internet propaganda, contact with religious extremists and despair over what they view as this country’s anti-Muslim foreign policy.

Cameron dismisses the idea that a succession of wars launched against largely Muslim countries and ongoing backing for Israel’s murderous occupation of Palestinian land play any part in fomenting alienation.

For him, the problem is simply ideological  “non-violent extremists” who radicalise young people by grooming them and brainwashing their minds.

His stance with regard to Syrians who join Isis is fundamentally different, identifying a materialist basis for their doing so  his contention that President Bashar al-Assad is “the chief recruiting sergeant for Isil because of his butchery of his own people.”

Imperialism’s obsession with overthrowing Assad, assisted by funds, weapons and recruits from Nato’s Arab allies, has weakened military resistance to Isis.

There is little use in Cameron wishing for viable governments in Iraq and Syria or anywhere else in the region when it is US, British and French oil-influenced military intervention or support for medieval despots that has rendered it unstable.

His Extremism Bill will not destabilise Britain because the vast majority of Muslims perceive no unbridgeable gulf between their own beliefs and attitudes and those of their non-Muslim neighbours.

However, his half-baked dog’s breakfast of bluster, loyalty demands and ill-thought-through censorship proposals to “put out of action” those who he decides “clearly detest British society and everything we stand for” will not help matters.

What absurd level of supremacist thinking does Cameron’s statement that “our values are so great that we should want to enforce them for all” reflect?

His agenda will probably collapse under the weight of its contradictions, but until then it will aggravate the process of integration in Britain rather than help it.

Personally I concur with the response from Yvette Copper. See link below:

Just wondering how many people had to opportunity to read the full content of the government response to taking extremism if you have not then here is an opportunity to read it. See link below:





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